Why Don’t I Like Cash For Surfing In The Traffic Exchanges?
A quick review of Hit Exchange News will show you that I’m not a fan of cash for surfing. I still believe to this day that when this became the ‘norm’ in this industry, results were lowered. A huge shift happened in the way people surf the traffic exchanges…And it was not for the best.
However, I’m not just going to have an opinion without explaining it more and offering a solution.
Cash for surfing comes in a lot of different forms. Now a program like Easy Hits 4 U was built on the cash for surfing model. This I don’t have issues with because it never tried to be anything else. I like Easy Hits 4 U, heck I’ve got a downline of over 27,000 in it but when I promote there I know the majority of people are surfing for their 30 cents. No problem, I’ll use it for branding purposes and I do get results there but I know it’s going to take a lot of credits to see some action.
Again, this is just my opinion and experience, some people get massive results from the program and that’s cool. I just know what I’m signing up for, it’s the same thing I expect when I advertise in the PTC’s.
Where I have issues with cash surfing is not only the enormous amount of garbage emails that these traffic exchanges are sending of late (I mean seriously, how many times a week do I have to hear about $1.50 or $2.50 cash links becoming active….) but from the mind set it creates with surfers.
When traffic exchanges started it was as simple as this…Surf and look at sites…In return, you get people looking at your site.
So simple and one of the reasons I think traffic exchanges are so effective. But now we have another reason people surf and that’s to earn their 25 cents for surfing two thousand pages…
So while these people may be taking an odd glance or two at your site, what they are really looking at is how many more clicks is it going to take them to earn their cash reward. Now some people will argue, there is nothing wrong with rewarding people with a cash prize or two for surfing all day but I disagree. Simply because the mind set of the surfer changes the moment you focus on the end reward of cash gifting which I’m sorry to say, isn’t getting traffic to their site, branding their name or heaven forbid…Building their list.
But Jon…You have Bracket Surfing at I Love Hits and you are giving away prizes like iPod’s and Flip HD cameras. Yes I am, but I have made a major change in Bracket Surfing to bring the focus back to USING the system for the right reasons. You can read more about that here.
But Jon…You dislike cash for surfing but what are you doing to change it….
Sweeva’s Widget Hunt
With our new feature at Sweeva, we are trying to not only get users and advertisers to work together and get rewarded together, we are trying to keep eye balls where we should have them…On the web sites. This new feature makes sure people are LOOKING at your site and poking around to find the Widgets. Yeah they may have an end goal of clicking the Widget for a potential prize but the main thing is this…To get that prize, they have to search and LOOK at your site.
A perfect solution? Naw, nothing is ever perfect but we’re working on making Sweeva THE most effective advertising exchange on the net. And I truly believe, the more we focus on the sites in rotation and less on the surf bar telling us we won a dime, we will see focus come back to the real reason traffic exchanges exist…
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It’s a mindset I understand because I basically got my start in affiliate commissions via the PTC/PTR/GPT world… but for much the same reasons you outline in this post, I rarely promote traffic exchanges to my PTC/etc audience and have mostly kept my traffic exchange activities separate from the PTC/etc activities. I don’t even promote my own exchange to that audience.
I know I have some colleagues in that realm who have used TEs to promote for a long time and are actually interested in whatever other online money related programs are being promoted in traffic exchanges – but I would estimate that number is probably very low, one in 1,000 or even one in 10,000.
That all said, I do think some of the long-term established and quality PTC/PTRs are worthwhile advertising TE & TE-related stuff in – most of the established ones are higher on general IM-related advertising than they are PTC stuff. I don’t know what kind of results Tim has been getting from the ones he’s been advertising his blog in, but I’ve seen lately that Tony is advertising TTP at an established PTR that almost always garners excellent results. If you ever decide you want some links to the better ones for advertising purposes, you know where to find me lol.
Yup for sure, oh yeah I’ve been promoting my sites in PTC’s for years. Heck, I started in PTC’s, PTR and PTS….All Advantage, Spedia, Desktop Dollars….Been around that block.
No problem with that because that’s the model they adopt. This is more about traffic exchanges taking the focus away from the traffic and putting it on cash rewards.
I dunno, I’m sure people that enjoy it may get pissed at me about this but I really feel it has hurt the traffic exchanges.
Enjoying the changes over at sweeva sir def a push in the right direction if you ask me. Way to many traffic exchanges out there that all offer the same thing.
Cash surfing really needs to go at all exchanges. The occasional team up could be good but even those are proving in effective anymore. The industry was really knocked down a notch when cash for surfing came into play.
Before it was a free service that offered a good way to get traffic to your site and start building you into a business. Then came the free stuff ebooks, prizes etc which turned the industry into a bunch of freebie seekers. Now a days people are expecting us to pay them to take any sort of action. How can you run a business like that?
Hey look Jon you aren’t forcing me to comment today LOL! I agree with you, but you already know that.
The problem I see is this attracts people looking for spare change, rather than people looking for business. When we swap our sites together, we are looking to network and receive business from each other.
I want you to sign up to what I’m offering, so naturally I pay attention to your offer because I’d like you to do the same to me. But when both sides are looking to swap, it’s a whole different beast.
Here’s another thing about the whole cash for surfing vs traffic exchanges thing too.
I don’t even offer cash for surfing @ my exchange – yet I’m dealing every day with cheaters who (one would assume) are usually out to suck cash out of traffic exchanges by cheating when they surf.
Which doesn’t really explain why they even bother with mine since I don’t have cash surfing – but the fact I have to deal with this daily and repeatedly when I don’t even have cash surfing tells me what kind of problem has been spawned by it.
I dunno. Personally I’m a little on the fence about it all and can see both sides of the coin – why some TE owners offer cash surfing vs. why it’s not a good idea – it’s kinda nice to get the cash bonuses sometimes as a surfer, but (A) I’m not going to be paying even one bill anytime soon out of the cash I’ve won surfing TEs that do have cash, and (B) honestly I’d rather get credits or banner impressions (or list ads where there’s list ads) as prizes anyway.
The way I look at it, if it’s not illegal there is nothing anyone can do about it.
Not everyone wants to build a list or even have intentions of growing a business online, etc.
I know a handful of people who make 300, 400 dollars a month surfing for cash and they are more than satisfied with that.
Even scarier, I’ve seen people get super excited when they have earned a nickel.
In a nutshell, it comes down to one’s expectations. If a person is happy with earning pennies more power to them. If a person wants to build a long-term sizable income online major props to them.
Thanks for the comments Sean and Tim…Much appreciated =)
Lynn – Ya, I understand why owner’s offer it maybe I just KNOW the owners can do so much more. I think we are a special bunch of people in the traffic exchanges and we all want what is best for our members…
I just know the pennies you can get from surfing the traffic exchanges is nothing compared to the results you will see if you brand your name and build your list.
Jimmy – Thanks man, appreciate the input. And yeah, I understand what you mean. Again, I just think there is so much more people can do with these programs.
I actually get aggravated when I receive a $0.01 as a prize when surfing. A penny, three cents, a nickel, come on people, I’d much rather receive site credits for my surfing activity. Those pennies will take forever to add up to be enough to buy another 1000 credits with. I’m viewing other member’s sites to gain advertising credits so that those folks will in turn see my sites. Plain and simple.
I can’t imagine how people come to the conclusion that spending hours of their precious time each day trying to “earn” thirty cents for an hours “work” is worthwhile. Most likely they aren’t even viewing the sites, but just staring mindlessly at the surfbar images with no intention of building a business, expanding their knowledge, or building their list.
As far as the freebies go, that’s a necessary evil with list building. I think that giving away a free e-book, or splash page template, or other useful marketing material is a great incentive in exchange for a new subscriber to your list, but the cash rewards for clicking is diminishing the effectiveness of the TE industry as a whole.
Amen… I agree. I personally don’t care for EasyHits4U either, but more because it just takes so dang long to surf it. I don’t get the best results there either, so the cash surfing aspect really doesn’t factor into my feelings about their program.
I’m a simple girl… I just want to surf (on the rare occasion that I do). I don’t want to play letter hunt, I don’t want to win a nickel. If you’re going to reward me, give me some banners or text ads, or a couple of extra credits works too.
I don’t advertise in cash surfing sites when their cash promos are running. I know the type of surfers it attracts really aren’t my target market. If they were, I’d still be in the PTC industry.
Ultimately, I think to each their own. If you want to surf for cash, hey totally your choice. Advertise where you want, click for whatever you want. I’ll do the same
Thanks for the comments Winter and Mark. Much appreciated =)
That’s interesting Jimmy. Are people really earning $300-$400/month from surfing? Maybe some other TE owners who offer pay-to-surf can chime in on what some of their members are earning.
I think at some point the cash for surfing changed from being a reward to being a bribe. If I happen to be surfing a TE and find $5.00 that’s great! I’ll probably continue to surf there more often. But when you are sending me emails every day telling me that I should surf your exchange not because of how good the traffic is but because I might win $5.00 then I think it starts to become a problem.
I really wish I disagreed just to get the discussion going, but I totally agree with all that’s been said.
I don’t mind the occasional bit of surprise cash, but I’m not going to surf for it and I’d really rather have credits. Also my results definitely suffer when a “surf for pennies” is on.
Bit of a side note, but I’ve noticed a similar decline in my results when big joint surf promos are on. The recent surfer’s dozen, for example, had everyone surfing frantically with eyes glued to the page count rather than looking at the aites. Crazy!
Personaly I do not care about cash for surfing. I prefer banner impressions and hits for my surfing efforts.
I am also not too keen on the multiple surf mentality that has taken hold over the past 18 months or so. A manual traffic exchange is just that (or should be IMHO). A service where one can view other ads/banners to look for business opportunities, a good list to sign up to and/or ideas for the ‘swipe file’, coupled with the hope that other surfers are doing the same viz a viz one’s own ads and banners.
When members are given the option of surfing five (and recently I’ve noticed more) TEs with larger surfing rewards on offer, then how many are really seriously looking at the ads? Yep, a bit like cash for surfing I’ll bet!
It’s almost as if the TE industry is slipping back to the old days of the auto surf script culture.
Just my thoughts,
Jeff.
Let me clarify Jerry.
They primarily click and surf for cash with very little list building and they make that much a month. Of course, they spend a lot of hours doing it so to each it’s own.
I know that there always has been some surf for cash sites like Easy Hits 4 U and to be really honest I’ve never been overly attracted to them simply on a results basis.
I have voiced my concern about surfing for cash in several places. I’ve never been able to get my head around the mindset of a TE owner who aims to attract people looking to earn free cash, when his/her bread and butter market is people who will pay for advertising.
I don’t surf a lot as is, I tend to buy credits when I want them, but to be brutally honest I’m not inclined to spend any money where people are encouraged to click for pennies.
I guess that it would be possible to mount some sort of clicking for pennies and missing the dollars advertising campaign but I have enough other irons in the fire to not pursue it.
I agree with several other comments that TE results have deteriorated substantially this year particularly.
I hope that it is a cyclical thing and that sooner or later there will be some sort of shake out of surfing for cash sites.
It’s really depressing logging into StartXchange and having someone ask on chat “How do I earn money here” the regulars try and set them straight, but they’re not interested – they just go off to other sites.
If we all refused to pay for advertising and pro memberships at surf for cash sites, I think that would change the ball game pretty quickly.
I’m with Jon, I don’t need an email telling me to drop everything because the cash bar is loaded. I’d prefer to receive a meaningful email offering some real help rather than what amounts to a plea to come and surf with all the other penny hunters.
Something has to be done -Jon’s stance is welcomed but I think that he is preaching to the converted here.
On a brighter note I think Sweeva points the way to a more interactive future and will become the template for future quality TE resources and even pave the way for sites to be looked at properly – I’ve trilled running a few blogs there and have been pleasantly surprised.
Yeah, there is nothing I can do alone here. I mean it would definitely take an effort by the masses.
The problem is, the masses want to surf for pennies which is the culture that has developed in the past year.
I really do appreciate your input Mark, I think you raise some great points.
Jeff, Lynne and Jerry you folks are bang on too. It’s so good to know I’m not the only one that thinks this way because honestly, when i wrote this article I thought I was going to get trashed LOL
I agree 1000 percent with you Jon. I own a TE and it has made me crazy AND loose members over the last couple of years because I don’t offer cash for surfing.
Too many folks are running, okay no, surfing — round in circles just to make pennies and not even paying attention to the quality of the TE service or the sites that are there.
The whole concept HAS ruined the TE industry if you ask me.
I purchased my TE to help others advertise and market their current businesses and products so they can make “real” money from “real” businesses. NOT to pay them a pittance for clicking blindly.
I have been working on some new splash page concepts for my TE lately to specifically point out that TEs ARE for branding and advertising and not to bring home the bacon!
Good discussion as always. I suppose you could technically throw me into the category of surfing for pennies.
It’s a horse a piece, when i join a TE with not much of interest, I last about 2 minutes, usually there are not many surfers there.
Your odds at my site are, the game comes up every 50 clicks and you have a 1 in 9 chance of finding pennies, good luck to ya. It is there as a trinket.
The only thing that keeps surf windows open and folks there is chat, teams or whatever you can come up with to keep folks connected. People will sell to people they can interact with, period.
This is the secret to the success with Sweeva, the ability to throw out comments, adds a human connection. Fancy graphics is nice but it is the human connection that sells.
My pennies are thrown in with technology such as whisper to keep things interactive. If a few pennies keeps them there with the surf window open, i am happy to do it. You just can’t miss the sites.
Just my 2 cents worth, lol
Hard to make this controversial because I wholeheartedly agree too, I guess I’ve said it often enough.
You will never EVER see Penny Surfing at Traffic-Splash or Fast Easy Traffic.
The way Joint Surf Promo’s have expanded all over is a major irritant to me as well.
I used my Fast Flipper Friday as a weekly and, at that time, effective promotion. They rarely increased traffic at Splash so I was happy it wasn’t affecting response rates (my own tracking showed that too btw)
The whole idea was a bit of extra fun and to push more Splashers into FET. I stopped those as a regular event in total frustration that the copycats took my idea and ruined it by simply over-doing it.
Tony and I have discussed joint surf promo’s often too. Tony uses them purely because they regularly increase surf at TTP (Splash is large so unless I partner with EasyHits4u or StartXchange they lead to a decline in traffic for me)
I suspect most owners have the same experience as Tony, and it must be hard not to do joint promo’s as they are now just a routine event (rather than the special event that a Fast Flipper Friday used to be)
What works at Splash is not necessarily right for every exchange and while the copycats haven’t yet ruined the industry I share Jon’s concerns in a BIG way because of the lack of originality.
There are far more great TE owners around now than when I started and my next comment ain’t aimed at those but…
I really do wish more owners would think for themselves and create their own original marketing strategies, like the Sweeva widget for example.
I am owner of more than one TE I buy TEs and sites as a hobby and then give them to admins to administrate for me. It is left up to the admins if they make this TE to a success or loss. They have no cost, just promote. One thing on my sites I do not want to see is surfing for cash everyday. I am strictly against surfing for cash. I see it so the members of my TEs they are using my sites to promote their programs, and not there to earn cash. I do reward all members with credits, upgrades and software when they wish it. Many TE owners have the second leg I call it, in joint ventures. Giving my admins absolute free programs to reward or to give their members no problems I am jv marketer too.
I had ref contests, for cash the last one cost me $105 for 2 refs that even surf, No more. I give only credits or upgrades. By surfing for cash I will say it open, you get the money searcher, not the advertiser.
I wish for my admins no money searchers, they for me are trouble and a hindernace and no help,
I am long in web and I have always wished for the day, some one would come and categorize this web. I will help them free of charge. It needs to be done. Here in web is a helter skelter mixup only comparison,It is hard and getting harder to substain and live. I see in web an opportunity to earn a substantial living standard when each stops trying to be better as the next and stop the cut throat manners used. It may be a dream from me, but think of the opportunities, the possibilities when this world wide web would endly be cleaned and brought to the glance and the brilliance it once had, it did have it it started changing in 2001 for the worse and not the good. The money searcher has arrived. I will do my part, that is for sure to put the brightness, the friendliness, the respect and what ever you wish to name them back in this web. . Started two weeks ago, no mpney in any way on my sites to earn, no money searchers.
Thank You
Jay Dee
Just FYI – in the 24 hours since you posted this, I’ve gotten one e-mail wanting to know how they can make money with TPX (of course I gave them the pat “we don’t offer cash for surfing here but…” answer).
And last night during one of the conferences I saw a new face I’d never seen before pipe up about the need for “an incentive to surf” (i.e., money), and that was pretty much all they had to say.
Yeah.
Thanks for the comments Jay Dee, Claudia, Faith and Paul. Much appreciated.
And Paul, trust me, I know exactly your pain with this. It drives me nuts to see this industry have nothing new to talk about but then when something does become popular Re: Fast Flipper it gets copied.
That….is a whole new blog post LOL
I am from the old school, do something, and you will be rewarded, I do something, It is collecting web sites.Its a hobby a long time now. This collecting from sites makes and keeps me happy. I want and I stand for a clean web. I have understood the web to be a meeting place of people. People meeting people, to exchange ideas, to exchange knowledge, to exchange creative thinking. There are many ways to do this one is using traffic exchanges. I am no surfer, really, I am a chatter. I love talking to people, I love entertaining people, for my knowledge and what I hear I do it good. I am happy. Then comes someone in the chat room which ever chat room, it happens everywhere, “How do I make money here ?” “Can I make money by surfing here? ” My day is ruined. The idea to surf for money was not born today,it happened up the year 2001. Some smart thinking people came up with the idea, hmmm how can we get many many members and now, hmmm the bigger our TE the more we earn hmmm We will offer cash. This was the biggest disservice ever done on the web, that was to be the communication bridge from and for people around the world.
I read what Tim Linden wrote, I read what Tim Linden and Jon Olson write. Most of the time I have to agree, not all the time but most of the time. By Tim and startxchange I am geronimo team leader from friends. This Te is a TE I like. I will be there so long Tim tolerates me. To Jon and sweeva,I am jasydee, Jon has made a wonderful place, not to earn lots of money but lots of friends, I like this. These two examples are what you can do only to offer money for surfing. I am in this web since 1993 in this web with my extreme thinking an exception, I say what I feel and what I think. I am so. What this web does not need is more surfing for cash, in any form whatever. Go back to material rewards and do away with the cash rewards for surfing and this requst goes on every TE owner big or small.
Thank You
Jay Dee
musicman
Hey Jon,
Great post that really got my attention, as a matter of fact, this my be the first post on this subject or your blog for sure. My Wife and I started on the Internet six years ago and started out learning the Marketing Advertising Promotion processes. Like most Internet marketers we either started with or gravitated to
traffic exchanges. About nine months ago, we started re-evaluating our results and yes we do article marketing, PPC, social networks, passed out flyers, business cards, you name it. What caused the second look was the fact that we were making $300 to $500 per month on traffic exchanges as referral commissions alone. We were both upgraded members on well over 50 exchanges. We made the decision about 5 or 6 months ago to slowly down grade on those TE’s that did not pay referral commissions which now leaves us with approximately 19 or 20 that do pay referral commissions. So my biggest suggestion to you TE Owners to pass on to the rest is that they can stop the surfing for money as far as a lot of us are concerned but if I bring them a monthly paying referral, they better pay commission. Following Tim Linden’s method and I think Paul Linden is doing it now, when referral commissions reach a certain dollar amount, Pay Pal it Dude! If we are required to pay on a certain date each month, then the commission payment date should be immediately upon reach the payment threshold. We know that most of you guys and gals are up front and honorable, Please Pass it On to the rest and TE’s are not PTC’s so stop the distraction!
Sorry about rambling on about this but it is a subject that needed do be explored.
Thanks for that Sam and I totally agree with you. Something I want to end up doing at ILH as well, a mass pay feature that pays out every week. Paul, Tony and Tim do this, something I should seriously look in to.
Thanks Jon and now you can make my wife happy, she loves Henry Hour, lol.
You rock Bro!
It’s such a pain in our head. For me, the reason that divert people attention from looking at our site is cash surfing. They are surfing for it. In another case, The TE’s owner itself always mentioning about cash surfing and etc. That’s what makes distraction to people. We want quality and not quantity.
Well Jon, Mark and whomever else agrees with this unthought out comment about Traffic Exchanges giving a little change to its members, You are getting scolded now. I am really offened by this letter.
Imagine this.
Your mate sitting in a wheel chair all day long with nothing to do. So you tell him to click for you. He says “what for”? and you say “to get our site seen” And he does it for a month or so and then stops because you check your stats and there was not one click or sign up. Now what? So you see a site has a jack pot or a sign up bonus or are giving away a few pennies. And you tell him you could really use that money to upgrade or go to Vista and buy business cards, and he has a purpose.
Many marketers need more purpose
The people surfing for cash are the 97% percent who lost hope. Lets keep them for a while. Maybe they will learn from some wise words from one of you guys instead of trashing the TE owners who are trying to keep them in the game. Or before long you guys will only be promoting to each other.
I agree their are many that could care less about the sites they see on Traffic Exchanges. That is because they already signed up under you because you offered them some promotional thing to grab them. If anything should be banned, it is that. Or maybe it is because they are forced to surf 5 sites at one time to get any halfway decent credits.
I would like a comment back about that. Like I told Paul a long time ago my computer won’t take that abuse.
And Now, most of you are speaking in the owners point of view and not the people who are surfing all day for months with nothing..NOTHING to show for it.
Tim, It’s not for people who are looking for spare change, its for the people who already bought upgrades, and extra credits, and advertised there businesses like, Claudia Beck just said. And wasted all of their credits because they have lack of skills in marketing. I mean Claudia. You said you want people to make real money by promoting their businesses and yet its all over the net don’t do that. Promote you instead. And then in your next sentence you say TE’s are for Branding. But the 97% don’t know that. They are promoting without Branding themselves and wasting credits and as I see it. That is no lost to you guys. l But I say it is fine to give a few pennies if it makes someone’s day and keeps the other wise “loosers” in the game. And many loosers can become wonderful marketers if they have a reason to stay with it. Maybe right now their only reason is to earn a few pennies. But eventually they will learn. I say Keep them in any way you can.
I honestly don’t understand any of your mentality. What, dose it hurt you? did you loose a few members? Get them back. Give them something better. Oh wait, You don’t want that kind anyway, right? You only want the winners, right? And if someone in chat asks how you earn here or there tell them if their is a way. Well if you don’t give out pennies, tell them how to promote. Don’t assume everyone is asking about pennies. Of course you have ways for people to earn, but it is work, hard work, just like surfing and promoting all day is.
It has not ruined the industry. ON the contrary, it is creating a motivation for some not to quit. Eventually they will come around and not care about the few pennies. Eventually most will. Some won’t. Some will always only CARE ABOUT THE BUCK. But why wouldn’t you give an incentive such as cash? Why do you want it to stop?
Why do you say it is ruining the industry? It is harmless except to the cheapskates. Or is it because they get No Thrills at your estabishments and you have not figured a way to fix it?
I am really upset about what you all have said. Yes I don’t own a Traffic Exchange but if I did I would have Profit Sharing, for sure. I would not give away pennies, or e-books or any worthless junk. I would not except sites that I knew would not get any pick ups either. And I would not promote the things my surfers were promoting offering all sorts of stuff if they sign with me. And if you know people are wasting their credits, why do you except the afiliate site? It’s business Right?
And Paul I am surprized at you..I mean didn’t your mother ever tell you copying was the highest compliment one can get.
You guys always forget about the ones that don’t even know how to promote properly yet. I mean you give commissions, don’t you? That is surfing for cash too.
And if you check with some of these sites that give out pennies. They won’t even allow you to cash out unless you are an upgraded member. But you may use the money you earned to buy upgrades or credits or buy into some matrix. So their is much good advatage for the surfer in that.
I do agree the letters promoting the pennies could be a bit less, And the splash pages showing member # 342 won a cash prize could altogether stop. Or the emails saying so an so won an upgrade, but it wasn’t you but it could have been you if you would have surfed 10 sites at once.
You know this is about conviction. Either you are for it or against it. But if you are against it, you have to be against it in all ways. Exchange sites and that is it, Otherwise the reason has to be substanciated, at least to your own self be true.
So you see some TE’s are providing the only means some have to get what they need. And sometime it is fun to win a buck, I won one the other day. I thought it was fun. I told my husband and he got on the surfboard and surfed that site for hours for me. He was not quite that lucky, but I told him he could have it for his efforts. And I took it out of my purse and gave it to him. LOL
And what about Cash Sign up bonuses. Are they bad too? Is that bad? Will that ruin the industry. I say “Make the irresistable Offer” write, something like for the first person who surfs 1000 today you will get $5.00. What is the harm in that?
Well to sum up what I have to say, it has to be tough when you’re not benefiting from the loosers anymore. I mean they are all going to get their pennies. But I would get them back if I were you..They may just be the one who brings in some major bucks for you.
Yes, I am not experience in the industry. But I am a surfer and I know what kind of results I get from TE’s..Let me tell you, somedays a buck win will make or break your day.
Why not give away a lifetime upgrade or a car or something ?
Oh no wait, don’t do that.. Others might copy
Sorry, I am just upset about this.
Caroline Schukraft
Caroline,
I appreciate the feedback and I hear you completely. People forget that I’m in the trenches everyday. I am a traffic exchange surfer first, have been for a decade plus.
Now if I never held a seminar, wrote an ebook, gave countless tutorials and countless weekly coaching calls about how to brand your name and build your list in the exchanges…Hey, you are absolutely right.
Ignorance cannot be an excuse. The information is given by many, for free, so everyone can make money using these programs.
There is a reason why people ‘lose’ in this game and that’s because of attitude. I mean look at how you referred to people..’loosers’.
People that ACT on the information provided can and do develop winning businesses SIMPLY by using traffic exchanges.
The information is there. Some choose to seek it, use it, act on it. Others say the man is out to get them.
I still maintain cash surfing is the worst thing to happen to this industry and that can be evident by the latest rant about ‘pennies’ given for surfing in Net Marketing Forum.
I implore you Caroline, seek and act on the information out there and you will see our point of view.
But I REALLY do appreciate your input and we may not agree on this but please do get into the habit of looking for the information I talked about above.
Hi Jon,
You are educated, you been doing this what, since you were 14 years old or younger.
Did you know that your view on things will change every 7 years.
Maybe your view on this may not. But you should not take it so serious as to want to start a revolution.
I really mean it when I say that some people stay in the game because they just have to earn just ANYTHING on the Internet.
And when you say the information is out there, you are correct but many just do not know where to find it yet. And until they do, if surfing for a few pennies is keeping them in the game, I personally don’t see the problem. They will learn.
And as far as using the word “loosers”, I was only refering to how the others mentioned these people in this post. I don’t feel their are any loosers if they are trying is some way.
And if Traffic Exchanges are so concerned with their members, maybe they should ban the use of their members putting in Generic pages, and have them go through a series of training first.
Lol, that in fact, would get rid of the ones who really don’t want to learn or work. And I know you cannot do this. But I do think it should be offered. And not just at the site, but in emails too. Goodness knows we get enough mail to join this or join that. And recommendations that Someones Great friend just opened this or that. But I personally think you must keep it simple in the beginning. Many have no idea where to begin.
Any way, it is cool how you increased your ratio on your ILH site.
You are a giver, that is why your concern about a few sites giving pennies doesn’t make sense to me.
You are established, you give rewards, you pay commissions, you are giving the way you feel is OK.
So I don’t understand why this concerns you so.
But ananother thing my mother said. To each is own.
And who knows, my views may change within the next 7 years.
I would let it go.
Take Care,
Caroline
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